Both are heavier duty than the ZT2, have better decks that will cut better and faster, however the Apex is only a few hundred more so is the best choice in my opinion. Hi Paul, Fab 22.5 HP V-Twin Gas Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Smart Speed, If you have to stay in your budget there is a compromise and still get the MyRide. 4 Rough hilly acres to mow. Both show it online so should be able to at least order the model I want. Scag has also been around for a long time and the larger mowers are very popular with landscape contractors. They compare favorably to the high-end Kohler Command and Briggs Vanguard. Speed is nice, but the landscape will keep me moving slow to stay in the seat. They seem comparable but I like the Hydrogear 3100 transmission on the Kubota and the John Deere Kawasaki engine. Both are listed at the same price. There are more parts to wear out on the Ferris and that bouncing can give you an uneven cut after a few years. My five is in engine, transmutation and durability with Max cut height in mind. Toro is aimed more towards residential and government use. I am enjoying your site. It also has the heavy-duty ZT2800 transmissions. HD clutch,HD motors and hydraulics, and 30 to 37 HP engines. I currently either mulch or side-discharge my clippings and will likely continue to do so. Hes also fairly rough on equipment, (He killed an Exmark Lazer Z in 10 years) so the Ariens Apex/Gravely can put up with his abuse. Hi Ryan, My first concern is service and parts availability. Im looking at the Ariens Apex, Gravely ZT HD and Toro Titan all in 60 inch. It helps keep the fuel fresh and some stabilizers also clean your carb and fuel system without messing it up. I dont have an issue with the Cub Cadet ZT1 42. Thank you! It built better than the commercial mowers we used 20 years ago. Ive owned them myself and my neighbor has had one for almost 20 years. It mows really well and is a very dependable mower. The bolt-in mulch kit is easy to take in and out for fall cleanup. The range of difference of each mower model is dependent on deck sizes or your dealer. Appreciate all the help and insight. I do recommend that you have the dealer install it and make sure its programmed for your yard. Watch this video: Paul hope all is well. Added to this difference, the seats are much higher on the Titan in comparison to the Timecutter, which is excellent if you spend long hours gliding through grasslands. 5. You are right that the dealer can often make the difference, and the one I got mine from is awesome! The shelter for the elderly homeless (where I live and work) has about 2 1/2 acres of mostly flat, open land to mow. Walker will gladly come out and demo one on your property. All you have to do is get a new aluminum caster to replace the broken one, and youre good to go! I mow a little over 1/2 acre that is flat but not smooth or soft ground. -I have a Ferris IS3200 mower with wide cut. The Ultimate Garage LED Light Testing Showdown. You still get the 10-gauge fabricated deck and reinforced leading edges across the entire front of the deck to protect against minor impacts and abrasions. It mows very well and is the right size for one acre. I have looked at both in person and there is no comparison the ultra heavy duty Apex (same as the Gravely ZT HD that sells for about $5200) makes the ZT2 look very basic and average. (same mower ones red the other is orange) The larger 20 inch rear tires really make a difference for traction on slopes. Im looking for a new mower to handle about an acre of gently sloped (about 10 degrees in spots) yard and am seriously considering going for a ZTR mower. How does the next step up Cub Cadet (ZTX4) stack up same tranny & engine I believe. However, in a different post you stated you werent a fan of the John Deere 300 series so wasnt sure about this lawn mower. The only mention I find from a few owners with this deck is vibration at low RPMs. I suggest mowing at 4 inches and then mow in the late afternoon. (all those clipping need someplace to go and raising the deck up will let them drop into the grass) They will both work flawlessly on your normal lawn. 1. Both are serviced by local dealers. 4. On 2.5 acres you may only need to replace the blades every 3-4 years. Both have the same Kawasaki engine and appear pretty similar on the surface. A cheaper belt is a cheaper belt. The Toros controls are further back than the Country Clipper. Bagger never gets plugged. Others suggest Hustler, Bad Boy, and Husqvarna. Your second issue is many ZTRs are light in the front and the mower could tip over backwards going up that steep of a slope. In your case I suggest the Gravely. I would never pay more for a Kawasaki FR than I would for a Kohler 7000. The Kohler Confidant is a commercial engine. Yes, the commercial operators insist on having them but they quickly realize their only advantage is getting into small residential properties. Id guess were actually mowing 75% of the acre. That Craftsman Pro is made by MTD. 1, Stihl iMow RMI 632 P handles up to one acre and is the best for design and installation. Scag Liberty Z with the Kawasaki engine 48 With 4 years warranty cover, the MZ61 just edges it over the Toro Titan. If you cant get the Kaw I highly recommend the Toro. I think I have narrowed it to an Commercial grade Ariens 61 with the Kawasaki or a Toro Titan. That said, You can get armrests for the XT1 and install them yourself. Ive been researching alot lately and deciding on a zero turn to replace my old Cub Cadet Yard Tractor. Its as heavy-duty as many of the commercial machines. I do wish I could have the ELS engine, but maybe I can find a way to enhance the existing stock configuration to extend engine life, and in the process improve my chances. Im not familiar with Husky but the Husqvarna decks are not as good. 24 HP Kawasaki. Hi Rob, My first choice is the Ariens IKON XL at Home Depot. Hi Rob, Lets start with the Toro. The Ariens IKON XL and Gravely ZTXL (Same machine) are good choices. 1st time for ZTM. , and. The Ariens IKON XL 42 comes to mind. Use the side discharge until June or so. These models also ride well but they dont mulch quite as well as the Toro or John Deere. And I usually just side discharge, but a mulching option and a bagging option would always be nice. 7. Here is the Country Clipper website to locate a dealer in New Zealand: Country Clipper. My budge is around the $6000 mark, The cost difference is around $1200 between the two. Cub Cadet has no plans to discontinue their Z-Force or Pro steering wheel models. The Boulevard costs about $300 more than the Ariens, and about $400 more than the Toro. Quick question for you. Are you kidding me? Runtime & Voltage DEWALT PowerStack 5Ah Vs XR 5Ah, DEWALT PowerStack 5Ah Rocks the 12 XR Chainsaw Long Term In. The alternative is the MX6050. This steering wheel model is heavy enough to go up the hill and the front steering wheels will help to keep it on the slope. I would guess the average engine life to be 500-750 hours maybe 1000 if you change the air filter and oil when required. TodaysMower.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, and we get a commission on purchases made through our links to Amazon. I would expect both would hold up well for my use. (I live in central Ohio). 1. I am orderingI dont think I can live with the regrets Ill have if I pass on this and buy a $4200 Gravely/Hustler locally! The Toros select speed control is also the best for pulling loads without worrying about your transmissions. (These seem to appear mostly on commercial units). I have 1 acre lot in which my home is 2200 sq ft. My yard is mostly flat in which it has been graded like a bowl. I recommend the comfort seat and trailer hitch options. I will not be towing with it. Hi Charlie, Is the dealer getting some in or will your local Ariens Dealer order the mower? 5" deck 10 gauge. free pickup and delivery or a discount on the turn-up) You should probably get a lawn service for your property so you could spend even more time answering our stupid questions. And I have a good mower shop just a mile away that is not a dealer, they will service whatever you bring. I would check the belt you are using as a replacement. They are the same price. We are finally in the position to invest in a new mower and we are considering the 2020 Husqvarna Power Zero Turn Mowers Commercial M-ZT61 Kawasaki (967 17 70-08), $7,000. You would have to go up to the Bad Boy ZT Elite to get the same heavy-duty machine as the Ariens/Gravely. Hi Paul, Thanks so much for the reply. The toro has a slightly better warranty at 3yrs unlimited hours vs the Ariens at 3yrs . Thanks, Mark. Best for 1/4 to 3/4 acre. Do you have any thoughts on how easy (or not) the Toros vs. the Deeres are to work on? Hi Jerry this suspension goes between your existing seat and the mounting plate. It cuts well and is built like a tank. Many commercial operators go back to the 30-36 inch walk-behinds because the small standers just arent that great. I realize that I wont be towing all of the time and more of a nice to have when I need it. The Toro Timecutter Z420 comes equipped with a 21-inch premium steel deck. Hi Jim, Most homeowners usually buy Mid-April through June so thats when youll see any sales or price drops for the residential machines. And has helped me narrow down my choices. Its the same mower as the IKON XD with the stronger ZT 2800 transmissions. Yes, Husqvarna does have two new models that will handle hills. Thank you for your input! If I got a tractor, how beefy of a model would I need to get? Appears to be a heavy duty estate class machine, has 2800 hydros, Kohler 7000 engine, and even larger tires. So unless you can think of anything else I need to consider that might change my mind, I think Ill be going with the green and yellow Z-TRAK to start my ZTR experience. Best in class seating( bad back) and have 4 to 5 acres to mower. Fabricated Deck 24 HP Kawasaki FS Series Engine with Front Wheel SuspensionAvailable at, Cub Cadet Ultima ZTX4 54 in. If thats way out of your budget comfort zone an alternative is the Cub Cadet Ultima ZT1 42 in. The dealers near me have cub cadet and toro. The Titan utilizes a levered brake system at the bottom side of the mower. That said, they are tough enough to keep your woods clear but if you let the growth get over 11 inches or so you may have to mow the area 2 or more times before you get a clean cut. Skag, Ferris, ExMark and Walker are on the heavy price point side for similar specs in these others (at least thats my interpretation of what Im reading). We are using an older Craftsman lawn tractor. If you only have 10-degree slopes and you are not planning on pulling a lot of heavier loads with the ZTR then Id stay with the Ariens IKON XD or the Gravely ZT X. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'desiredlawnmower_com-medrectangle-4','ezslot_2',122,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-desiredlawnmower_com-medrectangle-4-0');In this needful deliberation, I will be discussing a clear blueprint of what is delivered by the Toro Titan or the TimeCutter and how best they tick your yards requirements. The gray AUTOMOWER 435X AWD Model 967 85 33-66 is the homeowner version. Looking for a workhorse that will last, not difficult to maintain, power through high grass, good cut and smooth ride. Personally, Since the mowers are both good machines and both have a good reputation Id talk to the dealers and buy from the dealer that you like the most. Greetings Paul If you want a one and done mower the Vanguard is definitely the engine to buy. Do you have a suggestion for the engine choice, Toro twin 24.5 hp or Kohler 22hp? But, like most mowers made by MTD in that time-frame (2012-2015) many of them had problems with the deck drive belt coming off a lot. Right now the ZTR market is saturated badly and there are new brands entering the market every month. Keith, If you feel comfortable doing this: Please wear safety glasses, a face shield or a motorcycle helmet and shield. They are one of the hidden gems of the mowing industry. I really, really like the Bradley Standers. Hi Charles, No, They did not have any problems with the steering and transmissions. Check out n. The XT2 should give you 10 years of service if you do the normal maintenance on it and dont let teenagers try and wreck it. If it still wiggles the bearings are bad and you need to replace the spindle. Do you recommend replacing blades annually? Walker Model H. One really nice thing about the Walker is you can demo it on your yard before you buy. The APEX is one of those mowers that it a solid step up from the MZ61. The 50-inch decks are two of the best cutting decks on the market right now. I currently cut with a CC 54 lawn tractor. Although this method is much more instinctive and easily adjustable, theyre in no way as reliable as the pin system and require extra care for a long-lasting lifespan making them even more categorized for residential use. It shows ZT-2200 on the MX5000 (both new and old versions) When checking online pricing for the Z930M I found many of them with over 2000 hours still being sold. With the SmartSpeed you can easily pull 350 lbs without hurting the tranny. Any recommendations on brand and a specific mower in that brand? But the Cub seems like more for the money.. Dealer did say he had a Gravely and looking back he doesnt understand why he spent so much more on it vs just getting a Cub. My second choice is either the Toro or Cub Cadet 50 inch. Appreciate the input. I have been going through drive belts at a rate of 1 per season. BTW Did you have a chance to look at the Bradley frame compared to the Bobcat? Thanks again! What is your experience with robotic mowers? Would this be enough to see a difference? I expect the batteries to last 5-7 years. Now that spring has come and gone (i live in georgia) everything has grown back up.. so i just want to make sure it would be ok 2 cut again with a mower since its pretty tall weeds and stuff or does it have to be bush hogged again? Its very similar to the ZT X but has the stronger ZT2800 drives. I am considering the Ariens Apex or a Bad boy MZ MAGNUM both based on price point and features. This turned into long story long so again i really appreciate your time! Thanks again! Use this dealer locator page to find a dealer in your area (Country Clipper dealers). Hi Brian, Thats a tough choice. It one of the best riding ZTRs on the market. The hauler is rated to carry up to 1,000 pounds. (It will be set up and delivered by a local dealer) I checked the Redding, CA website and they can get either one to you in about 2 weeks. It gives you a slightly more even cut. Im looking at the 42 inch airlines ikon x and the hustler raptor. In the past week, I have talked to a few local dealers; Cub Cadet, Toro, and Gravley/Ariens. However, based on some of your previous reviews, it seems that I would probably need to be looking at a higher end garden tractor with a robust transmission and motor. The manufactures dont specify but Id guess 140-180 F. Hope youre doing well, great article by the way. trans) Best For Rough Lawns Toro 50 in. I will have to think hard about the collection aspect I am seeking. Thanks for taking the time to answer. That basically means about a dozen+ trips around the horn in the summer months. Instead, move up to the $4000-4500 heavy-duty ZTRs with ZT2800 or ZT32OO transmissions. Are Spartans dependable and here to stay? The Toro Titan has a grand quality of a transmission system; youre matched with Dual Hydrostatic HG-3100 for premium maneuverability, speed, and smoothness of conveyance. Feature: MyRIDE Suspension System. Im seeking serviceable hydros, large tires, 5 cut height and probably 48-54 cut for ease of maneuvering and gates. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'desiredlawnmower_com-box-4','ezslot_3',123,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-desiredlawnmower_com-box-4-0'); The Timecutter engines are built to deliver a highly satisfying residential-grade mow, so devouring grass frequently on business-like terms will be like ordering a bag of damage and repairs in a few months Best if you avoid it, pal. I feel like I cant afford to buy the wrong mower, especially at these prices. You get a better experience when you buy from a dealer. I may even mow a few of my neighbors lawns for extra $. Going green The Best Electric Riding Mowers, Lawn Tractors and ZTRs. Pin adjustment systems are much more reliable in comparison to levers since theres no deck weight placed on the height regulation point. I basically just want a zero turn that will last me a very long time for $3000 or less. https://www.russopower.com/bob-cat-quickcat-48-stand-on-mower-20-5hp-kawasaki, https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bradley-Mowers-48SC-BS24V-48-Hydro-Drive-Stand-On-Compact-Zero-Turn-Mower-Briggs-Vanguard-24HP-Electric-Start/857626337?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&adid=22222222227101833639&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=&wl1=s&wl2=c&wl3=217425214023&wl4=pla-351178471162&wl5=9007349&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=857626337&wl13=&veh=sem&gclid=CjwKCAjw8LTmBRBCEiwAbhh-6DkrXIHh6wBIoiq3Nq8irCQhs-bWBoJAYhEHyGtOPxcEuDgjojV9gxoCVFQQAvD_BwE. We have John Deere, Hustler, Bad Boy, Kubota, Husqvarna, and Grasshopper dealers, as well as stores such as Lowes, Home Depot, and Tractor Supply which carry other brands. Father in law says he believes i could take a 60 inch back there with no problem and just lift the deck to avoid any small stumps etc that was left over from the guy clearing.
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