So I just brought up the bobcat thing because the location is fascinating to me that that that location we have Bobcats existing but that location we have a mountain lion report because it's a developed area and which brings me back to earlier what I had said it's a bouncing ball. Can you look into this picture. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. Patrick Tate: Nice talk to you too. It's you know I recognized their report and. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. for some excitement. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid. I wanted to get your thoughts on the mystique of the mountain lion start with you Rick. What's going on. Kansas officials think a mountain lion recently roamed through Shawnee County. But those who called the New Hampshire Fish and Game officer were told the last time a mountain lion was seen in the state was in the 1850s, and it's unlikely they have made a return. Patrick Tate: My line being a large predator a cat watch ambush his prey animal that hasn't been. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. Caller: I have yeah. Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. So one thing that I find fascinating about this Connecticut cat was six months between the New York situation where they found evidence of it too when it was hit by a motor vehicle. Thanks for your call. New Hampshire Public Radio | Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. Does not test random Scouts. Let's look for other evidence. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. Tonight, Sean McDonald . Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. So they're scary. Give today. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. The scientific name for the catamount is Puma concolor. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal . May 23 . And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred. The sightings have not been confirmed; in fact, there have been no confirmed mountain lion sightings in New Hampshire since one was shot and killed on the seacoast in the 1850s, said Patrick Tate . Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. Peter Biello: I did mention four feet nose to tail would be kind of small for a mountain lion. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. Thank you very much for being here. Thank you. It was not a bobcat. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. Caller: Oh hi. Having not found any evidence is not the same as saying there are no mountain lions, its the same as saying we dont know. Thanks for calling. The last wild mountain lion in New Hampshire may have been killed in the White Mountains in 1885. We're not in the woods. So I would put this in the category of sort of like shark attacks right. So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. So I want to start the program with a comment from someone who is not in the studio with us today. There's just one subspecies of North American mountain lion. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. And it's not really strong. A trail of DNA evidence collected over the years shows this particular mountain lion had traveled through New York, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. They don't know the direction they're going. That's what we're seeing is dispersing mountain lions from the West who are just making their way through. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? I can't. Based on this blurry photo and pawprints, DEEP confirmed it was likely a mountain lion. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. Can we go to the site. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. They create these big latrines that are very obvious. So one thing I'll add. So there's even debate about that very subject. Peter Biello: Yeah. Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. Rick van de Poll: Yes. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. So that's the specimen that you find going long distances. Do you get a lot of these these these things that end up being hoaxes. And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. So let's let's go to the phones. So and so they so they do get pretty involved. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. State officials confirmed the presence of a mountain lion near the Quabbin Reservoir in the late 1990s. Well within there. lewis structure for ch2cl. They just end up in these places. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. Good morning guys. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. Right. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. For starters, part of the confusion might come from the fact that the eastern cougar was taken off the endangered species list earlier this year. But along the lines of the conspiracy theories as you mentioned earlier there there was a bit of a sense on behalf of what I'll call the promo online community who felt that fishing gain maybe not even so much in a spoken policy but maybe sort of an unspoken policy did not want to find themselves in a situation where they had to spend money to create a management plan and so forth. And here we're talking about in this situation we're talking about it migrated from the West. I looked at the picture and asked me what do you see in the picture and I wrote back. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. Yes. It's listed as population of least concern. Really appreciate it. If youve got photo trap evidence of a Mountain Lion, send it in, and we'll send it along to the appropriate state or federal agency! Caller: Hey guys how you doing. Part II. I just want to tell you a story that I read. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. On June 9 2021 I saw a Mountain Lion along the Connecticut river in Clarksville New Hampshire . So what those ranges. So before we get to the the the the stories of sightings we're getting a lot of calls. And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. The number 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 so promised a discussion about conspiracy theories. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. Its actually fairly reasonable to believe that mountain lions do, at least, pass through occasionally. Caller: Yeah. Listeners give us a call if you'd like. Course like Sue said you have to see it and it's not always that visible. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. Women control our lives. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. This is where things start breaking down when you so I get pictures with this great description and one of my favorite stories is a great description what the witness and then so I called the witness and wanted information from them and the person says What are you talking about. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. It was a 3:45 pm on the east side of the river . And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. We'd love to have you in the queue. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. 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